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CiXel - 11-11-2006 at 03:52 PM

So here's the thing:
I finally finished retagging my entire collection fixing some tags that have been broken/corrupted for years (stemming back to the old bug) That being the case I have them locked down in read only mode. I want to know I'm the only person modifying the tags.


My ejuke.asn currently contains the compilation flag for all my discs that are compilations. Unfortunately during an ungraceful shutdown, that ASN got corrupted so I'm back to the default ASN where NOTHING is tagged as a compilation.

To save myself from having to hand define each compilation in the future would it be possible to use some form of file flag in the directory to define the compilation as such? Maybe something like a "comp.txt" or just a file called "comp" with no extension. That way when EJ rebuilds the database if it sees that "comp" in the local folder it will mark it as such.

Is there a better way I may be missing?


mbones - 12-13-2006 at 07:44 AM

I'm keen to see something definate done about compilations as well. It's been a subject of countless threads here but still not how I would like it.

Some flag that can be put in the folder would be good or some part of the ID3 that can be set externally to ejukebox would be preferable as editing in the program, for me at least, is not favourable.

The 'album artist' ID3 field is not used by EJ? Is this read to the 'artist2' field in the DB? How about if this was set to a name that EJ could recognise, 'compilation' or something.

This is the single most important thing for me to be 'fixed/ammended' and for a number of other users as well I imagine? I realise that altering the DB structure is probably a difficult task at this stage of development but surely a field already in there can be used?


Pirk - 12-13-2006 at 12:46 PM

I agree, indeed that would be great if it was possible to use a compilation ID3 tag which would be set externally by any tag editor like Tag&Rename or other.. and so no more need to fix each compilation manually in eJukebox!


mbones - 1-2-2007 at 10:24 AM

Seems like this problem will go on and on.

Anyway, I've just purchased another program after testing with my compilations and it works very well. It has many features I like and runs faster on my setup.

I'll keep checking on the Ejuke updates as there are many features I like in it but for the time being I'm afraid I've deserted!


CiXel - 1-2-2007 at 11:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by mbones
Anyway, I've just purchased another program after testing with my compilations and it works very well. It has many features I like and runs faster on my setup.


What program? I'm always looking to see what other people have put together.


rlailey - 1-3-2007 at 11:18 PM

I like the idea of storing as much information in the ID3 tags as possible such as the compilation flag. That way, should files get transferred, system crashes occur, etc. the configuration is secure.

It does also mean that MP3 files are more compatible for use on competitive systems such as the one mentioned by mbones above, but if eJ is the more compatible, more people are more likely to switch to it rather than from it...


CiXel - 1-3-2007 at 11:34 PM

I've been thinking about this as far as maintaining some form of standardization and making it as easy as possible for people to switch over. I was wondering if it would be prudent to start using the itunes internal tag flag for compilations (or is the one we use now the same?) as well as for star ratings. I realize we have our own, but the itunes community is much bigger than our own, and to not have to re-tag an entire collection would prove highly worthwhile.
In this way people could take their existing collections and just port them over.

What are your thoughts on this?

(On a side note, the New version of Tag&Rename (3.3) can edit BOTH the compilation tag and well as the rating tag... I'm not sure from where they have implemented their standard, but it certainly seems one has been established. In fact... I think the flag might be working in EJ for comps, so maybe I'm talking out of my butt...)


CiXel - 1-5-2007 at 01:04 AM

Just a heads up...
Version 3.3 of Tag and Rename seems to be incompatible for some reason with how EJ reads the headers. It looks fine in Winamp and other programs. I think I've narrowed it down to it;s new compilation tag feature being incompatible with whatever we are using now. It causes the tag reading to be pushed over (So for instance it seems the album title is read as the song title, and song title is read as the Artist... it's not a perfect swap, but that seems to be the symptoms.) The nice part is if you take the flag back out, it resets the tag back to the old way which still works.


Audiosoft - 1-5-2007 at 11:55 PM

would you guys use the eJukebox editor more if it had a standard grid to select the songs?


rllercstr7 - 1-6-2007 at 12:24 AM

I don't really think I would. It seems it would take a lot of work to implement all the features like Tag&Rename, which could be better spent on other improvements and feature requests. That just my opinion though :cool:


CiXel - 1-6-2007 at 12:58 AM

I can't say that I would use it more. For one thing, I tend to edit my tags on another computer so people can still use EJ. The only thing I have to actually edit in EJ as a separate process is the compilation tag (well... and the star rating as they play)

While a nice idea, I think that there are a lot of good taggers out there. What you have in place is great for the touch up editing I need to do when I find stuff out of wack. I think it's better to be known as and try to improve upon a great player than to spread the resources thin trying to cover and play catch up to what others have already taken the time to do. That is one of the reasons I brought up standardizing the cover tag and star ratings.


Yogui - 8-15-2008 at 01:23 AM

As many here I use an external renamer, mp3 tagger.

But considering that I don't know exactly how to tag the compilations with those. I actually use the eJukebox internal tagger for compilations (only).

I will be very handy to be able to select the parent compilation folder and apply the compilation tag to all compilations sub-folders in one go.

As I name compilations as:
My Documents/My Music/Compilation/Year-Collection Name (Compilation Name)/##~Artist Name~Track Name

The parent folder would be:
My Documents/My Music/Compilation

Note that inside this parent folder there is a mix of compilations that has and has not been tagged yet.

Cheers, Yogui.
PD: seem that "/" is allow in the forum, but not the inverted one (correct file full path)


Yogui - 5-18-2009 at 06:06 AM

Hi!

Ejukebox. It Should not be too hard to have a mass tag for compilations.

Otherwise would be possible to explain how to do it with an external mass Tagger?

Thanks!
PD: May be when rebuilding the DB detect files with the "Normal" Compilation tag that most players use and then tag those files as Compilation in EJ.


Pirk - 5-18-2009 at 11:28 AM

Yogui, Audiosoft,

I don't know if eJukebox recognize any kind of compilation flag? but now it seems that once you have tagged your compilations as "compilation" using the eJukebox internal editor, you don't need to retag them again the day you build a new database from scratch. So I suppose eJukebox adds its own compilation flag in the ID3 tags of mp3 files? How the non-mp3 compilations are tagged? Using a "asn" tag too?


Audiosoft - 5-18-2009 at 09:28 PM

the compilation flag is saved in the current eJukebox database and in .mp3 files.

there just is not a writable flag in most other tags. To get around this and reduce the need for rebuilding the database. thinking a new clean/refresh option might in order. a new dialog that would let you replace (in the database) a folder path or drive letter with a new one so won't have to rebuild after moving a folder to a new base location. what do you think?

for sure .86 will add Yogui's suggestion and make rebuild/add new set the file as compilation when its folder/file path contains the word "Compilation"


Pirk - 5-18-2009 at 09:49 PM

Quote:

make rebuild/add new set the file as compilation when its folder path contains the word "Compilation"

That should be perfect Audiosoft. Thanks!

Yogui, Thanks for your suggestion!

Quote:

a new dialog that would let you replace (in the database) a folder path or drive letter with a new one

sure that could be useful to have a such possibility..


CiXel - 5-18-2009 at 10:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Audiosoft
.86 will add Yogui's suggestion and make rebuild/add new set the file as compilation when its folder/file path contains the word "Compilation"

Perhaps "Various Artists" would be a good compilation path as well?
Better yet you could also check a tag for for ALBUMARTIST = Various Artists
ALBUMARTIST is a very popular field within taggers these days and tends to run across encoding formats (ie. you'll find it in MP3, FLAC, as well as AAC). That would also pick up compilations without having to have a user manually move files around if their collection to conform. Always a better user experience.


CiXel - 5-18-2009 at 10:32 PM

As an aside, ID3 does recognize:
TCMP - iTunes Compilation Flag (class 4)

http://www.id3.org/iTunes_Compilation_Flag


Yogui - 5-19-2009 at 10:19 AM

G this post is busy...

Great can't wait to try this Compilation mass tag feature.

BTW, It comes handy to have it written in the tag so If rebuild or move files all stays together.

Talking about compilations, How does multi volumes and releases work to be listed toguether?

I came with this rule on my format doc:

VIII. Multi-Volume and Multi-Disc Releases are identified with at least 2 digits (Vol ##) (Disc ##) Ejukebox will see them as part of a set if the name outside the brakes is the same in all albums.
i. Example 1 (Multi Volumes):
1. Forever Gold Of 80’s (Vol 01)
2. Forever Gold Of 80’s (Vol 02)
3. Forever Gold Of 80’s (Vol 03)

ii. Example 2 (Multi Releases):
1. Fabriclive Series (Disc 01, James Lavelle)
2. Fabriclive Series (Disc 02, Ali B)
3. Fabriclive Series (Disc 03, D J Hype)


Is this accurate? :o


Audiosoft - 5-20-2009 at 06:50 PM

v4.99.86 is up and offers some improvement!
-database rebuild/addnew now sets compilation flag when file path contains the word "Compilation"
-new button "Update Drive Letter or Folder Path" on Database Update Manager under Clean/Refresh. instead of rebuilding this first locates any missing files then prompts you to mass update paths in the database to new ones. i.e. if your external drive letter changes this will let you update E:Music file paths in the database to G:Music and maintain all database field data.


Pirk - 5-20-2009 at 09:48 PM

Thanks Audiosoft!
A lot of "new" compilations in the album list.. but now there are too much compilations!!
Could you make so that ONLY the compilations with several artists are sorted at the end of the album list? The compilation albums of Single Artists would be sorted in their respective name of artist, like before the .86 update..
Maybe the word "compilation" is not the right word to search? I think that "various artists" would work more accurately.


Audiosoft - 5-20-2009 at 09:51 PM

it does set as a compilation if "various" is in the file name but not folder
might update to make if "various" is anywhere in the full path like it does for "compilation" in .86.

Quote:

The compilation albums of Single Artists would be sorted in their respective name of artist, like before the .86 update..


Pirk, only change in .86 was database import sets it as compilation when the file's path contains the word "compilation".


Pirk - 5-20-2009 at 10:03 PM

Yes, searching for "various" in the full path would work better for me.

The problem with the word "compilation" is that (since .86 update) single artists compilations are now sorted at the end of the album list mixed with the various artists compilations.. it's a shame! Because I name the single artist compilations albums: Artist nameYear - Compilation thingxx.title.mp3.


Audiosoft - 5-21-2009 at 12:48 AM

Pirk, so before it did not mark those as compilation right?
maybe will just change it from 'compilation' to 'various'


CiXel - 5-21-2009 at 02:17 AM

Yeah, lets give various a go. That should help the majority of people and new users.


Pirk - 5-21-2009 at 10:43 AM

Quote:
Message original : Audiosoft
Pirk, so before it did not mark those as compilation right?
maybe will just change it from 'compilation' to 'various'


It's true Audiosoft, those compilations was not marked as compilation before .86 update, but that was not a problem for me. That was even benefit because I want to keep the single artists compilations in their respective Artist names lists in eJukebox (Albumlist). However if the key word "compilation" suit other people it's not really a problem for me, once you know it.. I will just rename my single artists compilations using "compil" instead of "compilation" in the paths. Because I want to keep a visual marker for the non-studio albums.
Then I will try to make good use of the word "compilation" for my French various artists compilations: If I name a folder "Compilations" (for once it's the same word in French), will eJukebox mark all the albums in this folder as compilations albums?

Otherwise yes I think "various" should work good for all English compilations.. and if finally you choose to banish the word "compilation" and you use the flag "various" exclusively, I will name my folder for the national artists compilations to something like "Various Artists FR"! Far-fetched but will work perfectly..


Audiosoft - 5-21-2009 at 07:40 PM

ok well if its no problem i still like idea of detecting "compilation" in the filepath. just updated .86 exe will also set as compilation when "various" is in the file path (only worked before when in file name). btw any different capitalizations of the 2 keywords will also get picked up. also "compilationS" and "various artists" are the same.

RE: Then I will try to make good use of the word "compilation" for my French various artists compilations: If I name a folder "Compilations" (for once it's the same word in French), will eJukebox mark all the albums in this folder as compilations albums?

yes for example if you make a C:MusicCompilations folder all album folders in there will be set to compilation since the path contains "compilation"


Pirk - 5-21-2009 at 08:32 PM

ok thanks Audiosoft.
So I'll rename my single artists compilations using "compil" instead of "compilation", at least for their album folder, in order to keep those compilations in eJukebox with their respective artist names..
Then create a "Various Artists" folder for my non-French compilations, and finally a "Compilations" folder for my French compilations.
I should manage to do that..


CiXel - 5-22-2009 at 01:31 AM

What about my original idea in 2006 of adding a compilation.txt to a folder and having that be an external flag?

I still think various would be great. What about a checkbox or field entry that a user could enter 'compilation' or 'various' into and that would determine what got flagged?


Yogui - 5-22-2009 at 04:39 AM

Hi,

of course it's possible to add a txt file, but users may find it annoing to add txt files inside those folders.

I personally use the Folder Name "Compilation" but "Various Artist" sound good too.

Worse case:

1) Re-Name your "Various Artist" to Compilation
2) Build library (to apply flags)
3) Re-name back
4) Build library to play

This is tedious but should be a one off...


CiXel - 5-22-2009 at 03:30 PM

Yeah, I agree, ultimately it's too cumbersome for users to drop in an individual file. Being able to just dump all various artist compilations in a directory is much less time consuming. I suppose if I have to move file structure, I'd rather move things under 'various' of some sort, thus my bias ;)

Another point though, as we move closer to 5. While there is no real Compilation flag standard, there are 2 that I see used most. 1 is itunes compilation ITUNESCOMPILATION=1 and the other is straight up COMPILATION=1. Right now we are using ASNCOMP to define a compilation with in EJ, might it be worth starting to use just COMPILATION instead to define a compilation within a tag? This would work among MP3 tags and FLACs and others. In this way we can expand compatibility among taggers and should make it even easier for users to import their existing collections.

What do you guys think?


Audiosoft - 5-22-2009 at 09:51 PM

i will try to add support...can anyone upload files with these different compilation tags so i can test with them?


Yogui - 5-23-2009 at 12:08 AM

Hi!

May be when the DB rebuilds where we can select fix casing add a check box"Set Compilation Flags"

I think the rule should be something like:

If FullPath is *Compilation* or *Various Artists*
Set Flags etc

This is because only mp3s inside a perfect matching folder named should be flagged.

I've searched in my Music and found:

Folder:
Z:My MusicPhil Collins2004~Love Songs, A Compilation, Old And New (Disc 01)

File:
Z:My MusicSystem Of A Down2001~Know Your Enemy Bootleg23~Shame (Taken From Various Artists Album Loud Rock).mp3

May be other uses have more like this that should NOT be set as ASNCOMP = 1

Also attached zip containing 2 files before and after .86

Before the file were not compilations, after all is set to compilations.

BTW .86 worked great!!! ;)

Cheers,


Audiosoft - 5-23-2009 at 12:25 AM

Yogui, thanks for the tunes. :D don't really need files for ej's asncomp...only itunes comp and any others.
btw i loaded them in ej and asncomp is not showing set on those files. must only be comp in your ej database because of various or compilation in the filepath. ej only saves asncomp in mp3 tag when you use the editor and after it does auto cover lookup and find an album image.


CiXel - 5-23-2009 at 01:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Audiosoft
can anyone upload files with these different compilation tags so i can test with them?

Here's a compilation=1 flag from MP3Tag. It's a manual extended tag that is read by squeezebox among others


CiXel - 5-23-2009 at 01:20 AM

Here's the itunes compilation fro tag&rename. I don't have iTunes installed, so I can't set the compilation check in the real program.

BTW this MP3 is a Creative Commons track I pulled down so no copyright worries.


CiXel - 5-23-2009 at 01:23 AM

FLAC tag with compilation Set


Yogui - 5-23-2009 at 01:37 AM

Hi ejukebox,

Is there any doc or info about which flags ejuke uses?

I've set ASNCOMP = 1 with Tag Renamer
http://www.mp3tag.de/en/

Then Rebuild the DB but did not set the flags and DB properly.

What am I doing wrong?

See Screen Shot:
Custom Flags can be edited on it extended tags (ALT+T) and custom Columns.

Cheers,


Audiosoft - 5-23-2009 at 04:33 AM

Thanks CiXel they will help!
Yogui, did you manually add asncomp to mptag or did it detect it?
it is in the id3 tag in the 'TXXX' frame with 'asncomp' as descriptor and the value is 1 or 0


CiXel - 5-23-2009 at 11:31 AM

This is the Comp flag directly set within iTunes.


CiXel - 5-23-2009 at 11:54 AM

Here''s a tag from dBPoweramp (COMPILATION=1)

I never actually checked if these COMP tags were sitting in the TCMP frame like iTunes.


Yogui - 5-23-2009 at 12:23 PM

Hi ejukebox,

thanks for the detailed info about the flag.

What I did in http://www.mp3tag.de/en/ is:

i. Load Files in Compilation folder
ii. Select ALL
iii. Show extended Tags (Alt+T)
iv. Set flag as required i.e. ASNCOMP to 1 and leave rest as <Keep>
v. Repeat for other folders and/or flags as required
vi. On ejukebox installation folder delete (or BK rename) “ejuke.asn” and “db.m3u”
vii. Restart ejukebox and rebuild Database.

Did not change all of them to compilation when rebuilding.

Does the ASNALBUM has to match across the m3 files inside the comp or just the 1st file?

See Screen Shot


Yogui - 5-23-2009 at 12:25 PM

I've also used a mask to rename the ASN flags:

%Year%~%asnalbum%%track%~%asnArtist%~%title%

asnalbum and others had some weird chars (Unicode?)

Anyway, no joy again :(


Audiosoft - 5-24-2009 at 05:46 AM

Yogui, you should not change the weird characters in the asn tags!
can only change the ones with numbers. do not change asnartist, asnalbum, asnupc etc they are for storing the automatic cover lookup result only
and asnalbum and asnartist get used only if the regular artist and album field is not set in the tag.

i am not sure why your asncomps are not picking up.
have you tried using the ejukebox editor on an mp3 -> check compilation -> close editor -> then check that file in mp3tag


Yogui - 5-24-2009 at 10:37 AM

Hi ejukebox,

No worries, I did copy the compilation folder before mess it up.

Sorry if I cause any trouble to other users with this method.

PLEASE ANYONE PLAYING WITH THIS TASG BACK UP THE FILES. :o

I did build a DB with 5 compilation albums only, of which only 3 are ASNCOMP = 1 via ejukebox. I did not name the parent folder as compilation.

When I edit the ASNCOMP tag via mp3Tag it was not pick up on the next DB rebuild. Edit song has the Comp Check box UN CHECKed.
Even with the ASNCOMP = 1 (again via mp3Tag)

I've noticed that when I did it via ejukebox, and refresh the mp3tag panel, the ASNALBUM tag of the first song had been written again with the Weird Chars.

Since .86 is working well I would not worry too much, but other users may appreciate the freedom of have their compilations on any folder name.

As I mentioned before I think that a check box "Write Compilation Flag" on the confirmation dialog to rebuild the DB would be useful.

There was also mentioned to read the itunes and/or other Compilation flags to set the album as compilation on ejuke.
This sounds a good option as well.

Cheers,


Yogui - 6-14-2009 at 08:12 AM

Hi,

I just found that the album:

Love Songs, A Compilation, Old And New
By
Phil Collins

Was set as compilation.

Of course it contains the word/string as stated on

On v4.99.86 - May 20th, 2009
... -database rebuild/addnew now sets compilation flag when file pathname contains the word "compilation"
... -database rebuild/addnew now sets compilation flag when file pathname contains the word "various"

I report this as a bug because it's getting it wrong...

I think the files should be read as compilation only if:

1) A full Folder Name Match to Compilation, Compilations or Various Artist.
Even better extend it to a RegEx like:
(W*)(Compilation|Compilations|Various Artist)(W*)

(a backslash goes before the W non-alphanumeric) this would allow to name the folder _Compilation (or similar) which I found useful in order to have it sorted at the top on the file explorer.

2) the ASNCOMP tag is actually blank or 1 (Non 0 which has been set by the user)

well my 2 cents :P


CiXel - 6-14-2009 at 10:41 AM

Well, false positives are bound to happen. I'd rather FIX the odd one it picks up as a compilation than to have to explicitly tag 100 compilation albums as such.

That being said, if the path trigger was various artists instead of compilation, you wouldn't have seen that false positive.


Yogui - 6-14-2009 at 11:16 AM

yeah I'm happy with the feature :cool:

Just what to make it more accurate.

Cheers, Yogui


Megane - 11-25-2009 at 05:42 AM

I like the idea of storing as much information in the ID3 tags as possible such as the compilation flag. That way.

Regards

Megane
Surendettement


CiXel - 4-26-2010 at 08:26 PM

Revisiting this for a moment:
If I already have:
Compilation=1

in the MP3 tag, isn't EJ supposed to pick it up automatically and add its own
asncomp=1

So EJ now recognizes it as a compilation as well?

Currently it's not working this way, but I could be mistaken


Audiosoft - 7-21-2010 at 09:42 AM

EJukebox v5.24
-now reads/writes mp4 m4a Compilation flag


CiXel - 7-21-2010 at 10:43 AM

Sweet!

I'll rescan my library and see how we make out.


Audiosoft - 7-30-2010 at 05:19 AM

v5.26
-added read/write for FLAC compilation tag
v5.27
-now reads FLAC releasetype for compilation first and if not then compilation = 1 or 0
-added MP3 support for "MusicBrainz Album Type"
When "MusicBrainz Album Type" = "compilation" it sets it to compilation in EJ.... if not it uses the EJ version asncomp from the id3 tag.


Audiosoft - 7-31-2010 at 05:45 AM

v5.275 adds TCMP compilation read/write supported for MP3 tags.

EJ checks for mediabrainz album type = compilation and if not it checks for asncomp = 1 and if not then it reads TCMP.

EJ now writes TCMP along with asncomp from the compilation checkbox in the editor.

EJ also writes musicbrainz album type to album if musicbrainz is compilation when you uncheck compilation in the song editor. and writes musicbrainz compilation if it reads album when you check compilation in the editor. EJ does this also for FLAC releasetype.


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